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Dr. Angel
Posted: 2010 July 21 at 9:04am | IP Logged Quote Dr. Angel
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I believe that this question has been the topic for much discussion over the years since Freud, and I am still trying to solve the mystery...

What does everyone here think?

 
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The question: Products of our childhood or environment?

My question: How is “childhood or environment” not one and the same? The option of voting ‘both’ does not solve this.

Rather than simply assuming that the poll question is of a complete misconception - I am applying the Principle of Charity and will assume that the question polled is meant to 'phrase' the ‘nature vs. nurture’ theory.

 
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Hello Invisible

Thank you for your insight and you are absolutely correct in assuming that this is what I meant. I only used this term because not everyone that visits this site is trained in psychology terms and not many know about the English Victorian polymath Francis Galton who first used this term...

But thank you for showing this out and the visitors might now better understand what we are discussing here...

 
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I am neither “trained in psychology terms” nor am I one who “knows about the English Victorian polymath Francis Galton who first used this term” (wondering - what is the relevance of knowing this piece of information if it be, at the very least, that one has ‘heard‘ the words nature vs. nurture?). I am saying this, firstly because the ‘general’ public may in fact ‘know’ more than is assumed - assumed by the ‘trained‘. Secondly - why, if it be that the ‘untrained’ are so awfully uninformed should one, consciously, further feed ignorance. I am here, to be specific, defining ‘ignorance’ as lacking in education. History! History purposefully fed ignorance (not only in South Africa). Education is about learning - the learning of becoming passionate about undertsanding. Stating misconceptions cannot but lead to further misconceptions…two wrongs can never make a right.

 
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Hi Invisible

It would seem to me that you are now a little off course, and it is becoming more clear that you are looking for an argument instead of just voting in the poll or skipping the post all together if you do not like or agree with it.

If you are not a professional and I assume you are not here to fight for human rights and the educational system then I fail to see the relevence of your last post other than looking for someone to argue with and frankly it seems like a waste of time.

If you read the question in the poll "Childhood or Environment" I stated that it is the same as Nature vs Nurture and NOT different as you would assume. I will apply the "principle of charity" and assume that you can explain why you would assume that it is not one and the same thing - childhood vs environment and nature vs nurture... and that I am stating misconceptions ?

 

 
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Posted: 2010 July 24 at 3:23pm | IP Logged Quote Invisible
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Hi,

First and foremost - do not bother to read on if you do not have time to spare.

[Off Topic - How useful it would be if there existed different fonts for different tones of voice…Why are we (as human beings) so frightened of ‘disagreeing’ with one another?…Why are we 'fighting' if in disagreement?]

“Looking for an argument?”…how often I am accused of this! Why? Because I ponder questions which leads me “off course“ onto the path of the (usual) complexities of notions/conceptions/ theories relating to the ‘simplicity’ of the initial - i.e. because I contemplate, certain related issues - implications of the (supposed) ‘discussion‘?

I struggle to understand why this way of processing the world is more often than not automatically assumed to be looking for a fight - here I am rather choosing to use the word ’fight’ instead of ‘argument/debate’ as I conceive these two(argument vs. fight) as notably different ways of conversing. How often I have been told to remove myself, my words from this forum! - What, because, as you have alluded to, that I am not a professional how dare I question, how dare I wonder and not just accept that which I am fed?

You say - “I stated that it is the same as Nature vs Nurture and NOT different” - yes you did, after my first post where I said that ’childhood or environment’ is one and the same. to which you replied “thank you for showing this out and the visitors might now better understand what we are discussing here.”

I admit confusion reading your last post based on what I have quoted above from our previous postings - are you asking me now to explain how I understand the phrasing of ‘childhood vs. environment’ and ‘nature vs. nurture’ to be different?…If that in fact be your question…let me not waste space stating the obvious. And yes, you would still have been stating a ‘misconception’ if it was not for my first post….

My urge to defend myself is fierce - or rather than to use the word defend, to justify, to explain myself following your words…”If you are and I assume you are not here to fight for human rights and the educational system then I fail to see the relevance of your last post”…a waste of time - I know my own truth.

How fearful, a conscious, often felt fear, of whether I should continue my studies. My fear; the risk of becoming deaf to the voices of the ’untrained’, of those that ‘only’ carry birth certificates…that I will assume myself, as a ‘professional’ to have a voice tuned with screaming validity that deafens the less fortunate because I have a certificate to frame.

Regards

…and the emoticon of ‘mad’…? Personally I feel composed…having let time pass after first reading your reply…

 
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